Sometime in late 2015 a Skype call was being recorded unbeknownst to those talking. As cool and secretive as it sounds (kind of like James Bond 007), I must admit that during the call I came clean and let the guys know they were indeed being recorded. And they were cool with it. Actually, it had been talked about before and that’s why the idea to start recording popped in my head. The call was between Gary Kleiban, Kephern Fuller, and myself. The subjects varied. As you’ll hear in this episode, even after they knew they were being recorded, they didn’t shy away from talking about things that actually matter. This conversation is real. Like, really real.