Rich is wondering if the Proclaimers have ever had their bluff called as he wearily starts Lockdown 3. His guest has a first in philosophy and has performed in a monkey suit, it's delightful genius Nina Conti. They discuss which of them is the best ventriloquist, how puppet characters can emerge by magic, turning audience members into dummies, whether all ventriloquists are mad or bad, the influence of the amazing Ken Campbell and why security guards are obsessed with ventriloquism. Plus are humans alone in the universe?