On this special episode, we're inviting you to listen in to a conversation between Björn Ulvaeus from ABBA and Martin Österdahl, the Executive Supervisor of the Eurovision Song Contest. It's nearly 50 years since ABBA won with Waterloo, so how does Björn think the contest has changed, and what does he think of it now? The pair discuss the values of Eurovision and its importance for democracy in Europe. They also chat about success stories like Måneskin and Rosa Linn, and Björn reflects on his own memories of Eurovision.