In this episode, we push back on the status quo—from building a custom family bed to co-sleeping work, to Kate opening up about what she’s stopped doing to please society (like shaving) and fully embracing aging, to be an example for our daughter. Tess might not have met her match from the podcast, but it did spark a fun night out with longtime friends—also single and ready to mingle—and led to a debate about “catching print”… which, surprisingly, has nothing to do with interior design. We also share the books we think should be required reading for every adult—Joey picks Leadership and Self-Deception and Kate goes with Brave New World. On the other side of the spectrum, our dark romantsy latest obsession is Chrysalis by B.B Reid.